FFXIV Wiki:Fishing data revamp
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- Project description
- Updating all fishing data across the wiki.
- Members
- OnyxVindicator (talk), Bagelchips (talk), Hubry (talk), Skissors-Wolf (talk), Vchiru (talk)
- Status
- In Progress
- Last updated
- 1 October
- Discussion
- Talk page, Discord
Summary
- This project is to clean up and standardize Fishing data so that it can be viewed in a reasonable and accurate manner, and also have semantic data populated for use on other pages.
- The data will be set up similar to the Miner/Botanist pages, such that most of the Fish data exists on the Fish pages but the location availability will be on the Fishing Log pages (mirroring MIN/BTN's setup on Area pages).
- Work in earnest is planned for 7.5x, but may happen sooner.
- OnyxVindicator is the primary contact person for this project.
To-Dos
- 🗹 Find good sources for the data elements listed in later sections
- ☐ Figure out how to pull the data and/or network with the data source owners
- ☐ Teamcraft's Allagan Reports data for fishing, contains most of the manual data that can't be datamined (need to source intuition duration from elsewhere though, probably Carby)
- ☐ Same data for spearfishing
- ☐ Carby data (*mostly* the same as TC but does not contain most common fish, and recommends worse baits in many places)(Additional note: Carby is not guaranteed to keep the same data structure, so might not want to use for recurring data pulls per Fishcord discussion)
- ☐ Tyo'to Tayuun's ocean fishing spreadsheet
- ☐ Tracky data for desynthesis
- ☐ Game sheets: FishParameter, FishingSpot, SpearfishingItem, AquariumFish, CollectablesShopItem (+ linked sheets for reward details), probably others missed
- ☐ Compile that data into a CSV file for upload
- ☐ Update the fishing data on fish pages
- ☐ Make semantic tables on the Fishing Log pages
- ☐ Make related templates
- ☐ Make semantic tables on the Big Fish page
- ☐ Make related templates
- ☐
Add screenshots of all fish in aquariums (discord)
Assignee: Vchiru (talk) - ☐ Fix old fish prints (discord)
Assignee: Gurgum (talk) - ☐ Move all the "Fishing Log: <Place Name>" pages to "<Place Name> (Fishing Log)". That will allow the fishing log page to pop up in the search when you start typing the location name. (Per Discord discussion)
- ☐ Determine best names for spearfishing fish speeds. Currently they are inconsistent ("Average" on the fish page vs. "Moderate" on the log pages), and limited to "Slow", "Average", and "Fast", while TC has 6 speeds (Very Slow, Slow, Average, Fast, Faster, Very Fast)
Preliminary List of Parameters/Properties and Categories
Parameters
| Parameter | Data |
|---|---|
| name | Fish Name |
| icon | Item icon image |
| item-description | item description |
| log-description | fishing log description |
| gathering | Gathering Requirement |
| time-start | Start of window |
| time-end | End of window |
| weather-previous | delimited list |
| weather-current | delimited list |
| intuition | Fisher's Intuition - [delimited list of "# fish name"] |
| bite | Bite Strength† - !/!!/!!! |
| lure-action | Patience Hookset/Powerful Hookset or Modest Lure/Ambitious Lure (weak, strong) |
| lure-message | Modest Lure/Ambitious Lure + Required Lure Message |
| preferred-bait | Preferred Bait† - if mooch, list the mooch fish and the prereqs for that mooch fish |
| allowed-bait | Other Allowed Bait |
| release | Patch Release (currently on the infobox; could stay here) |
| legendary-type | Fishing Rarity - Normal (default), Big Fish, Legendary Fish, Fabled Legendary Fish |
| habitat | Fishing Type - Freshwater, Saltwater, Sand, Sky, Clouds, Magma, Aetherochemical, Salt Lake, Space, Spearfishing, Ocean Fishing, Spectral Ocean Fishing |
| is-swimbait | Is Mooch Bait flag (might have better name for this; can ask fishing community) ... might want to use is-moochable as the community refers to these as "[being] moochable"
|
| gives-intuition | Gives Intuition flag (for getting Fisher's Intuition) ... this is listed as predators in the TC and Carby data, but is not exactly used in community discussions
|
| is-collectable | Collectable flag |
| collectability | Collectability score |
| scrip-value | <-- not sure if we want this here or if this can be put on the Collectable Appraiser page instead |
| ocean-fishing-value | Value for ocean vishing score |
| is-spectral | Is a fish that can trigger Spectral Currents for Ocean Fishing |
| req-snagging | Snagging Required flag |
| req-intuition | |
| req-tome | Requires a Tome of Ichthyological Folklore |
| req-other | Fish that require a specific quest or rod ("quest:QUESTNAME" or "rod:FISHINGROD") |
| length | Size - min-max |
| desynth-results | Desynth |
| fishing-level | Fishing Level |
| canvas-size | Canvas Size (S, M, L, XL) |
| aquarium-type | Aquarium Type (freshwater, saltwater, none) |
| aquarium-image | Image file for fish in aquarium |
| spearfish-size | Icon Size - small/medium/large |
| spearfish-speed | Swim Speed - slow/average/fast/very fast (might be better terms; check FruitySnacks guides) |
| eph-node-spawned | If this fish is used to spawn an ephemeral node, list it; else null |
| id-edb | EDB link |
| id-gt | TC/GT link |
| video-link | FruitySnacks video guide link (Carby has this) |
| id-cp ?? | Look into links for CarbunclePlushy - I don't think we can do this |
Parameters for Fishing Log pages:
| prime-loc | Primary Fishing Spot flag (yes/no; default yes) |
Categories:
- [expansion] Fish
- [expansion] Big Fish / Big Fish
- [expansion] Legendary Fish / Legendary Fish
- Fabled Legendary Fish
- Collectable Fish (?)
- Custom Delivery Fish (?)